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	<description>It&#039;s a matter of trust</description>
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		<title>By: wizard</title>
		<link>http://stowidiocracy.com/index.php/2010/03/27/press-releases-flying-around-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>wizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJinstow:  I agree with OEC.  I saw nothing in the SCRG&#039;s list of complaints that would be construed as libelous or slanderous.  So I agree with the minor reprimand they received.  I can&#039;t agree with your statement that the other complaints &quot;held no merit&quot;.  That material was included in the hearing, I am sure, to show the Superintendent was also capable and guilty of making &quot;false statements and misleading information&quot;.  In other words, I think he has been exposed.  Also, I think you missed the point:  It really has nothing to do with the amount of money spent or &quot;being found guilty of a few mistatements&quot;.  It has to do with trust.  Trust that government electees and appointees will practice what they preach when they say they are &quot;transparent&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJinstow:  I agree with OEC.  I saw nothing in the SCRG&#8217;s list of complaints that would be construed as libelous or slanderous.  So I agree with the minor reprimand they received.  I can&#8217;t agree with your statement that the other complaints &#8220;held no merit&#8221;.  That material was included in the hearing, I am sure, to show the Superintendent was also capable and guilty of making &#8220;false statements and misleading information&#8221;.  In other words, I think he has been exposed.  Also, I think you missed the point:  It really has nothing to do with the amount of money spent or &#8220;being found guilty of a few mistatements&#8221;.  It has to do with trust.  Trust that government electees and appointees will practice what they preach when they say they are &#8220;transparent&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: LMAO</title>
		<link>http://stowidiocracy.com/index.php/2010/03/27/press-releases-flying-around-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>LMAO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 05:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, what really hurts the kids is poor administration and inept fiscal management.  Many of the writers here have been solid supporters of the educational process, and taking issue with the management does not diminish their concern for the students&#039; welfare.

Many emotional issues will be proposed before the next levy appeal - cutting busing, increasing fees for participating in sports and extracurricular activities, closing schools...The truth is, unlike many previous requests for new money, the public is demanding answers.  So far, the &quot;transparency&quot; we hear so much about is becoming increasingly opaque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, what really hurts the kids is poor administration and inept fiscal management.  Many of the writers here have been solid supporters of the educational process, and taking issue with the management does not diminish their concern for the students&#8217; welfare.</p>
<p>Many emotional issues will be proposed before the next levy appeal &#8211; cutting busing, increasing fees for participating in sports and extracurricular activities, closing schools&#8230;The truth is, unlike many previous requests for new money, the public is demanding answers.  So far, the &#8220;transparency&#8221; we hear so much about is becoming increasingly opaque.</p>
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		<title>By: flowerpower</title>
		<link>http://stowidiocracy.com/index.php/2010/03/27/press-releases-flying-around-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>flowerpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ has finally made a point that citizens use the ballot box to voice their displeasure rather than address problems before a levy appears on the ballot.

This is exactly why I and others are taking the school administration to task. Citizens can work towards keeping the superintendent, treasurer and BOE accountable before voting day.   It takes an incredible amount of commitment and time ...time one could spend on happier things. 

Agreed that SCRG made 4 errors. They do not dispute this.  But, they are trying to make the point that this administration used unnecessary means to achieve community support.  

Why doesn&#039;t this administration opt for transparency of their affairs? Why doesn&#039;t the BOE open up to more public comments like the previous board did?  Why does the treasurer send public records requests to an attorney when the previous treasure handled them at no additional expense? Why did BOE disband the finance committee? Why did staff members take notes at &quot;community engagment meetings and reject citizens ideas when it was time to report to the group?  It goes on and on. This superintendent, treasurer and BOE have in actuality limited the citizens&#039; ability to question them.  

The issues raised against the school administration have been done by citizens who do have much background knowledge and experience which they could effectively support and cite with reference materials, examples and dates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ has finally made a point that citizens use the ballot box to voice their displeasure rather than address problems before a levy appears on the ballot.</p>
<p>This is exactly why I and others are taking the school administration to task. Citizens can work towards keeping the superintendent, treasurer and BOE accountable before voting day.   It takes an incredible amount of commitment and time &#8230;time one could spend on happier things. </p>
<p>Agreed that SCRG made 4 errors. They do not dispute this.  But, they are trying to make the point that this administration used unnecessary means to achieve community support.  </p>
<p>Why doesn&#8217;t this administration opt for transparency of their affairs? Why doesn&#8217;t the BOE open up to more public comments like the previous board did?  Why does the treasurer send public records requests to an attorney when the previous treasure handled them at no additional expense? Why did BOE disband the finance committee? Why did staff members take notes at &#8220;community engagment meetings and reject citizens ideas when it was time to report to the group?  It goes on and on. This superintendent, treasurer and BOE have in actuality limited the citizens&#8217; ability to question them.  </p>
<p>The issues raised against the school administration have been done by citizens who do have much background knowledge and experience which they could effectively support and cite with reference materials, examples and dates.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; ...although there are some changes I would like to see made that would save the school $$ — and I am not talking teachers salaries).&quot;

Why not? The over compensation given to terachers is where most of the bloat is. 

And I&#039;m glad you&#039;re learning to curb your HATE. It is not becoming.

+++

&quot;Since you know the school has you on your radar, up the ante.&quot;

Now this is true, but isn&#039;t it ironic that a servant of the community (the schools) dares to put its critics in the community of the radar? This is backwards. It is something you&#039;d expect to find in totalitarian countries, not America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230;although there are some changes I would like to see made that would save the school $$ — and I am not talking teachers salaries).&#8221;</p>
<p>Why not? The over compensation given to terachers is where most of the bloat is. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re learning to curb your HATE. It is not becoming.</p>
<p>+++</p>
<p>&#8220;Since you know the school has you on your radar, up the ante.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now this is true, but isn&#8217;t it ironic that a servant of the community (the schools) dares to put its critics in the community of the radar? This is backwards. It is something you&#8217;d expect to find in totalitarian countries, not America.</p>
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		<title>By: JJinStow</title>
		<link>http://stowidiocracy.com/index.php/2010/03/27/press-releases-flying-around-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>JJinStow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Peter, stop.  You and your &quot;hate&quot; stuff.   Yeah, I HATE when people knowingly state stuff that is false.  I&#039;ve always hated it.  It&#039;s called being RESPONSIBLE (something many people -- esp. the usual complainers to the Stow Sentry -- know nothing about).

And please don&#039;t cite the Constitution to me.  I know what the Bill of Rights are and what your Freedom of Speech says.  But you do not have the right to say whatever you want, without consequences.  You can not defame, libel or slander someone/thing.  Freedom of Speech does NOT give you that protection.  I work in a specific industry that deals with this type of freedom everyday.  So, spare me your citations as an attempt to think you know what you&#039;re talking about.

It doesn&#039;t matter how many were found to be factual.  Taking a claim to the whatever OFFICIAL agency they did is no different than filing a lawsuit.  One can make all the claims they want, but it is a matter of PROVING them.  Just because most of their claims were unfounded, does not mean that the ones that were hold no merit or their complaint was a joke.  Some of you seem to be missing the point because you&#039;re so hellbent on &quot;only&quot; being found guilty of a few misstatements.  That&#039;s not the point.

Since you know the school has you on your radar, up the ante.  Since you know this is the BS they&#039;re going to go through, BEAT THEM at their own game!  I am not defending the BOE in the least.  But do NOT give them a reason to do this again.  I DO question what they are doing.  I stated this before.  Heck, I would love to see them recalled and tossed, but that costs money and, quite honestly, is not very effective.  But the TRUTH is effective.  Misstatements are not.  I would have no problem being a member of a group.  But c&#039;mon folks.  I also stated previously this group can really have a voice.  Just be responsible with what you publicly post.  That includes writing -- using your names -- to the Letters to the Editors in the Stow Sentry.  I am not a member of any part of the school district or board, but I will have a child going to the school in the next year.  

I also hate (oops) when school levies come up because people vote &quot;NO&quot;, but it really hurts the kids, when people are taking their anger out on the Administration.  When levies get shot down, the KIDS feel the hurt.   We live here for a reason.  We send/sent/about to send our kids to this district for a reason.  I would vote for a levy if it was on the ballot because it affect US and the kids (although there are some changes I would like to see made that would save the school $$ -- and I am not talking teachers salaries).

I&#039;m just saying folks.  Like I said, I&#039;m not ripping you -- but please -- time to move on.  Really.  I&#039;m going to start attending these board meetings when my schedule permits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Peter, stop.  You and your &#8220;hate&#8221; stuff.   Yeah, I HATE when people knowingly state stuff that is false.  I&#8217;ve always hated it.  It&#8217;s called being RESPONSIBLE (something many people &#8212; esp. the usual complainers to the Stow Sentry &#8212; know nothing about).</p>
<p>And please don&#8217;t cite the Constitution to me.  I know what the Bill of Rights are and what your Freedom of Speech says.  But you do not have the right to say whatever you want, without consequences.  You can not defame, libel or slander someone/thing.  Freedom of Speech does NOT give you that protection.  I work in a specific industry that deals with this type of freedom everyday.  So, spare me your citations as an attempt to think you know what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter how many were found to be factual.  Taking a claim to the whatever OFFICIAL agency they did is no different than filing a lawsuit.  One can make all the claims they want, but it is a matter of PROVING them.  Just because most of their claims were unfounded, does not mean that the ones that were hold no merit or their complaint was a joke.  Some of you seem to be missing the point because you&#8217;re so hellbent on &#8220;only&#8221; being found guilty of a few misstatements.  That&#8217;s not the point.</p>
<p>Since you know the school has you on your radar, up the ante.  Since you know this is the BS they&#8217;re going to go through, BEAT THEM at their own game!  I am not defending the BOE in the least.  But do NOT give them a reason to do this again.  I DO question what they are doing.  I stated this before.  Heck, I would love to see them recalled and tossed, but that costs money and, quite honestly, is not very effective.  But the TRUTH is effective.  Misstatements are not.  I would have no problem being a member of a group.  But c&#8217;mon folks.  I also stated previously this group can really have a voice.  Just be responsible with what you publicly post.  That includes writing &#8212; using your names &#8212; to the Letters to the Editors in the Stow Sentry.  I am not a member of any part of the school district or board, but I will have a child going to the school in the next year.  </p>
<p>I also hate (oops) when school levies come up because people vote &#8220;NO&#8221;, but it really hurts the kids, when people are taking their anger out on the Administration.  When levies get shot down, the KIDS feel the hurt.   We live here for a reason.  We send/sent/about to send our kids to this district for a reason.  I would vote for a levy if it was on the ballot because it affect US and the kids (although there are some changes I would like to see made that would save the school $$ &#8212; and I am not talking teachers salaries).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just saying folks.  Like I said, I&#8217;m not ripping you &#8212; but please &#8212; time to move on.  Really.  I&#8217;m going to start attending these board meetings when my schedule permits.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://stowidiocracy.com/index.php/2010/03/27/press-releases-flying-around-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ in Stow seems to be too full of HATE (her words) and not enough with respect for the right to free speech to see clearly. 

That our school district is so senstitive to criticism that it has to resort to bully tactics is a clear indication of just out of touch it is from the community it is suppose to serve.

And I&#039;m not just speaking about the Mickey Mouse complaints against the Stow Citizens for Responsible Government (SCRG), but also the near habitual reluctence to be forthcoming with requested information, etc. 

I can&#039;t wait to see how the administration and its stooges in the community will act when information is pried out of them on the uncoming teachers union contract talks. Left to their own devices, I have the feeling that the Russ Jones administration and the sorry excuse we have for a BOE would like nothing better than to give away the store again. 

What angers them .... and what generates their HATE ... is that it won&#039;t be as easy to do it this time as it was last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ in Stow seems to be too full of HATE (her words) and not enough with respect for the right to free speech to see clearly. </p>
<p>That our school district is so senstitive to criticism that it has to resort to bully tactics is a clear indication of just out of touch it is from the community it is suppose to serve.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not just speaking about the Mickey Mouse complaints against the Stow Citizens for Responsible Government (SCRG), but also the near habitual reluctence to be forthcoming with requested information, etc. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to see how the administration and its stooges in the community will act when information is pried out of them on the uncoming teachers union contract talks. Left to their own devices, I have the feeling that the Russ Jones administration and the sorry excuse we have for a BOE would like nothing better than to give away the store again. </p>
<p>What angers them &#8230;. and what generates their HATE &#8230; is that it won&#8217;t be as easy to do it this time as it was last.</p>
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		<title>By: LMAO</title>
		<link>http://stowidiocracy.com/index.php/2010/03/27/press-releases-flying-around-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>LMAO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calm down, JJ - &quot;HATE...rail...nothing peeves me more...nothing ticks me off more&quot;.  Seems like most of the posters here hit a nerve with you.  Too bad &quot;None of us have Freedom of Speech&quot; - you might actually learn something.

I wish you held the school administration to the same lofty standards you do this citizens group. You seem to find the superintendent&#039;s &quot;facts&quot; very palatable.  

I&#039;m glad SCRG gives people of varying opinions the opportunity to post here.  I&#039;ll bet they don&#039;t even HATE you for it. They probably won&#039;t even call you &quot;irresponsible, baseless, uneducated, embarrassing or pathetic.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calm down, JJ &#8211; &#8220;HATE&#8230;rail&#8230;nothing peeves me more&#8230;nothing ticks me off more&#8221;.  Seems like most of the posters here hit a nerve with you.  Too bad &#8220;None of us have Freedom of Speech&#8221; &#8211; you might actually learn something.</p>
<p>I wish you held the school administration to the same lofty standards you do this citizens group. You seem to find the superintendent&#8217;s &#8220;facts&#8221; very palatable.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad SCRG gives people of varying opinions the opportunity to post here.  I&#8217;ll bet they don&#8217;t even HATE you for it. They probably won&#8217;t even call you &#8220;irresponsible, baseless, uneducated, embarrassing or pathetic.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: midnightwriter</title>
		<link>http://stowidiocracy.com/index.php/2010/03/27/press-releases-flying-around-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>midnightwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To JJ in Stow: Unless the COUNSTITUTION  has changed in the past year, the first Amendment states FREEDOM OF SPEECH, RELIGION AND OR FREEDOM OF THE PRESS, or the right of the people to assemble peacefully, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances. It may do YOU some good to read the CONSTITUTION (Of the United States). You see, the Superintendent by law is given 30 days to correct his mistake, but this SCRG group, in its efforts to educate the public as to what and why this superintendent and board members are doing DOESN&#039;T HAVE THAT LUXURY.  I see this SCRG group has been in existence for over a year and  the superintendent is now questioning their website???  MAYBE SCRG IS HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, or maybe the Superintendent and the School Board have been exposed and don&#039;t like it.  I suggest you take a more active part in School Board meetings and maybe you will be MORE PRO STOW LIKE THIS GROUP.  Maybe you ought to join this group in it&#039;s efforts, as I may.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To JJ in Stow: Unless the COUNSTITUTION  has changed in the past year, the first Amendment states FREEDOM OF SPEECH, RELIGION AND OR FREEDOM OF THE PRESS, or the right of the people to assemble peacefully, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances. It may do YOU some good to read the CONSTITUTION (Of the United States). You see, the Superintendent by law is given 30 days to correct his mistake, but this SCRG group, in its efforts to educate the public as to what and why this superintendent and board members are doing DOESN&#8217;T HAVE THAT LUXURY.  I see this SCRG group has been in existence for over a year and  the superintendent is now questioning their website???  MAYBE SCRG IS HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, or maybe the Superintendent and the School Board have been exposed and don&#8217;t like it.  I suggest you take a more active part in School Board meetings and maybe you will be MORE PRO STOW LIKE THIS GROUP.  Maybe you ought to join this group in it&#8217;s efforts, as I may.</p>
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		<title>By: flowerpower</title>
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		<dc:creator>flowerpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJinStow: One could be hopeful that readers would notice that only two &quot;facts&quot; out of more than 18 were found to be incorrect.  Not perfect, but certainly worth questioning why the district went to all the trouble to file complaints at the taxpayers&#039; expense.

So you are satisfied that SCRG is being held accountable for two &quot;facts&quot; that were incorrect. It is good that the public is reading.  It would be better if the public did some questioning and research without the &quot;same couple of people&quot; doing it for them. Why aren&#039;t more people concerned about the actions of the superintendent, treasurer and BOE?

Is it really factual to say that these same couple of people are innacurate and ignorant?

So much could be said here.....What about the majority of the information posted which was not be found to be innaccurate? If the postings here that were found to be innacurate by the commission are worthy of &quot;HATE&quot;, certainly the postings that ARE accurate should arouse more than &quot;suspicion.&quot;

This is a good opportunity to discuss just what is accurate and what is not. Let&#039;s get down to the details. What do you think of the district spending over $20,000 for attorneys fees before the BOE voted to do so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJinStow: One could be hopeful that readers would notice that only two &#8220;facts&#8221; out of more than 18 were found to be incorrect.  Not perfect, but certainly worth questioning why the district went to all the trouble to file complaints at the taxpayers&#8217; expense.</p>
<p>So you are satisfied that SCRG is being held accountable for two &#8220;facts&#8221; that were incorrect. It is good that the public is reading.  It would be better if the public did some questioning and research without the &#8220;same couple of people&#8221; doing it for them. Why aren&#8217;t more people concerned about the actions of the superintendent, treasurer and BOE?</p>
<p>Is it really factual to say that these same couple of people are innacurate and ignorant?</p>
<p>So much could be said here&#8230;..What about the majority of the information posted which was not be found to be innaccurate? If the postings here that were found to be innacurate by the commission are worthy of &#8220;HATE&#8221;, certainly the postings that ARE accurate should arouse more than &#8220;suspicion.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a good opportunity to discuss just what is accurate and what is not. Let&#8217;s get down to the details. What do you think of the district spending over $20,000 for attorneys fees before the BOE voted to do so?</p>
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		<title>By: wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry JJinStow, but from my viewpoint I&#039;ve found over 90% of what SCRG complained about to be true.  There were some mistakes (minor ones that did not affect the school district) but the vast majority of what was stated is true.  I hope the listing of the complaints and their results will be posted soon as promised by SCRG.  I have also learned that there are other much more serious problems that are being worked on but, from what I understand, the documentation is not ready for presentation.  The news stories certainly did make the SCRG look a little foolish, but that is the difference between a committee with no money and an organization with an unlimited supply of money.  So far, I think the SCRG has them on the run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry JJinStow, but from my viewpoint I&#8217;ve found over 90% of what SCRG complained about to be true.  There were some mistakes (minor ones that did not affect the school district) but the vast majority of what was stated is true.  I hope the listing of the complaints and their results will be posted soon as promised by SCRG.  I have also learned that there are other much more serious problems that are being worked on but, from what I understand, the documentation is not ready for presentation.  The news stories certainly did make the SCRG look a little foolish, but that is the difference between a committee with no money and an organization with an unlimited supply of money.  So far, I think the SCRG has them on the run.</p>
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