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		<title>By: stowbilly</title>
		<link>http://stowidiocracy.com/index.php/2010/04/12/scrgs-response-to-school-districts-oec-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>stowbilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 02:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJinstow:  Yes it does appear that the SCRG group did admit to a few bungles.  But did you read the list that the superintendent admitted to?  Yes, that is exactly what he did by not even contesting the evidence against his own complaints.  No, I don&#039;t think this website should drop any reference to the complaints.  Voters need to know what&#039;s going on behind their back with their money.  Yep, the SCRG got smacked, but the super and the board got clobbered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJinstow:  Yes it does appear that the SCRG group did admit to a few bungles.  But did you read the list that the superintendent admitted to?  Yes, that is exactly what he did by not even contesting the evidence against his own complaints.  No, I don&#8217;t think this website should drop any reference to the complaints.  Voters need to know what&#8217;s going on behind their back with their money.  Yep, the SCRG got smacked, but the super and the board got clobbered.</p>
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		<title>By: JJinStow</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJinStow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 17:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admin:

What BulldawgDad said was exactly what I have stated previously (although a little more harshly because of the pushback that some of the &#039;regulars&#039; with SOME of their ridiculous spin).  You guys are spinning it your way (which doesn&#039;t make you look good, to be honest), and the school board will spin it their way.  But when it comes to the LEGAL FACT OF THE MATTER (and not people&#039;s opinion), is that you admitted guilt.  It doesn&#039;t matter how many charges they brought that were dropped.  That happens every day in almost every court case in every court room in the USA.  Not every charge is upheld.  There are also plea deals.  So, it doesn&#039;t matter if it was 5 or 12 or even 1.  The fact is, you admitted guilt to 5 of them.

Keep in mind (and I can relate to BDD), what POSTERS (like me) write is one thing (although Freedom of Speech does not totally protect them either).  What YOU post is something completely different.  I know some posters were crying about &quot;freedom of speech&quot; (talk about someone not having a clue what they&#039;re allegedly screaming about -- sounds like some of the tea party wackjobs LOL).  One does NOT have the right to say whatever they want.  
You really have to be careful with what you post and pass off as fact and what you don&#039;t.  You can offer **opinion** that you **think** they are being misleading with &quot;whatever&quot; (just using generalities).

Like I&#039;ve said before, I don&#039;t visit here often, but this site can be a HUGE asset to this community.  I would strongly suggest letting this go already.  This site can either be a driving force in the community, or it can be like the Regular Clueless Complainers who regularly put their ignorance on display with their Letters to the Editors in the Stow Sentry (which are laughed at by many, and rightfully so).  I don&#039;t think you want to be viewed as the latter.
Stop writing about or even referencing it. You&#039;re sounding like the bitter ex who didn&#039;t get his way in a child support hearing LOL.  You know the School Board is checking this site out for what YOU write, and the more you harp on this, the more they eat this up because they know you&#039;re still ticked at them.  You boo-booed and got smacked.  Oh well.  It happens. 

Like I said before -- time to step-up YOUR game!  Because you know you&#039;ve got a captive audience! Not meant to rip -- just trying to offer constructive criticism who has no dog in this fight (outside of being a homeowner).  Peace.</description>
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<p>What BulldawgDad said was exactly what I have stated previously (although a little more harshly because of the pushback that some of the &#8216;regulars&#8217; with SOME of their ridiculous spin).  You guys are spinning it your way (which doesn&#8217;t make you look good, to be honest), and the school board will spin it their way.  But when it comes to the LEGAL FACT OF THE MATTER (and not people&#8217;s opinion), is that you admitted guilt.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how many charges they brought that were dropped.  That happens every day in almost every court case in every court room in the USA.  Not every charge is upheld.  There are also plea deals.  So, it doesn&#8217;t matter if it was 5 or 12 or even 1.  The fact is, you admitted guilt to 5 of them.</p>
<p>Keep in mind (and I can relate to BDD), what POSTERS (like me) write is one thing (although Freedom of Speech does not totally protect them either).  What YOU post is something completely different.  I know some posters were crying about &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; (talk about someone not having a clue what they&#8217;re allegedly screaming about &#8212; sounds like some of the tea party wackjobs LOL).  One does NOT have the right to say whatever they want.<br />
You really have to be careful with what you post and pass off as fact and what you don&#8217;t.  You can offer **opinion** that you **think** they are being misleading with &#8220;whatever&#8221; (just using generalities).</p>
<p>Like I&#8217;ve said before, I don&#8217;t visit here often, but this site can be a HUGE asset to this community.  I would strongly suggest letting this go already.  This site can either be a driving force in the community, or it can be like the Regular Clueless Complainers who regularly put their ignorance on display with their Letters to the Editors in the Stow Sentry (which are laughed at by many, and rightfully so).  I don&#8217;t think you want to be viewed as the latter.<br />
Stop writing about or even referencing it. You&#8217;re sounding like the bitter ex who didn&#8217;t get his way in a child support hearing LOL.  You know the School Board is checking this site out for what YOU write, and the more you harp on this, the more they eat this up because they know you&#8217;re still ticked at them.  You boo-booed and got smacked.  Oh well.  It happens. </p>
<p>Like I said before &#8212; time to step-up YOUR game!  Because you know you&#8217;ve got a captive audience! Not meant to rip &#8212; just trying to offer constructive criticism who has no dog in this fight (outside of being a homeowner).  Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: SCRGadmin</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCRGadmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 02:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bull Dawg Dad:  Thanks for your input.  We are learning.  Like you say, the &quot;settlement&quot; was more about money than anything else.  We look forward to the day when we have unlimited funding just like a school board.  Yes, our lawyer was very helpful in pointing out to us the subtlties of language and the law.  We learned a lot.  We learned enough to not roll over and die.  We also learned that the politically experienced are quite vague, will issue &quot;false statements and misleading information&quot; right along with the rest of us.  The difference being that they have access to assistance we could never dream of.  We also learned that &quot;lies&quot; are subject to interpretation depending on who is doing the interpretation.  Probably the biggest thing we learned is it is very easy to be labeled the &quot;bad guys&quot; when a community allows itself to be blindly led by a cunning leadership.  We&#039;re learning, and we&#039;re learning very well.  Maybe the learning curve is long, but we intend to hang in there.  We hope you will see better, more documented information in the future.  And we hope you will see better &quot;legal&quot; care of our language also.  From our perspective, we view the OEC process as a victory from the standpoint of the many other complaints that were submitted but dismissed because of our proof.  17 to 4 isn&#039;t a bad score for our first time out.  Thanks again for your remarks.  Hope to hear from you in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bull Dawg Dad:  Thanks for your input.  We are learning.  Like you say, the &#8220;settlement&#8221; was more about money than anything else.  We look forward to the day when we have unlimited funding just like a school board.  Yes, our lawyer was very helpful in pointing out to us the subtlties of language and the law.  We learned a lot.  We learned enough to not roll over and die.  We also learned that the politically experienced are quite vague, will issue &#8220;false statements and misleading information&#8221; right along with the rest of us.  The difference being that they have access to assistance we could never dream of.  We also learned that &#8220;lies&#8221; are subject to interpretation depending on who is doing the interpretation.  Probably the biggest thing we learned is it is very easy to be labeled the &#8220;bad guys&#8221; when a community allows itself to be blindly led by a cunning leadership.  We&#8217;re learning, and we&#8217;re learning very well.  Maybe the learning curve is long, but we intend to hang in there.  We hope you will see better, more documented information in the future.  And we hope you will see better &#8220;legal&#8221; care of our language also.  From our perspective, we view the OEC process as a victory from the standpoint of the many other complaints that were submitted but dismissed because of our proof.  17 to 4 isn&#8217;t a bad score for our first time out.  Thanks again for your remarks.  Hope to hear from you in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Bull Dawg Dad</title>
		<link>http://stowidiocracy.com/index.php/2010/04/12/scrgs-response-to-school-districts-oec-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Bull Dawg Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Wizard and Flowerpower that SCRG is  generally doing good work as a &quot;watchdog&quot; (pun intended) on community leaders, but you need to be more careful. 
 
 From what I read online in the public records of the OEC and from what you say in above article about correcting your own web site, you admitted to five of the charges in exchange for a promise from the board and the commission not to be fined or prosecuted. You saved yourself some time and legal fees in this negotiated &quot;settlement&quot; as the Sentry calls it.  
 
Your lawyer should tell you that you need to be accurate and careful in your future commentary to avoid further complications with the elections commission. That&#039;s why the school board spent their time and effort -- to get a little legal leverage on you.   As a veteran blogger and news media pro, I can tell you that you undermine your credibility every time you have to correct or clarify inaccurate statements -- like in the long post above. Ask the Sentry or the Beacon Journal editors about accuracy and corrections.  They hate them. 
 
Citizen bloggers like you (and me) have a good role to play, but we hurt our own arguments with false statements that we have to admit to in court or in a quasi-judicial process. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Wizard and Flowerpower that SCRG is  generally doing good work as a &#8220;watchdog&#8221; (pun intended) on community leaders, but you need to be more careful. </p>
<p> From what I read online in the public records of the OEC and from what you say in above article about correcting your own web site, you admitted to five of the charges in exchange for a promise from the board and the commission not to be fined or prosecuted. You saved yourself some time and legal fees in this negotiated &#8220;settlement&#8221; as the Sentry calls it.  </p>
<p>Your lawyer should tell you that you need to be accurate and careful in your future commentary to avoid further complications with the elections commission. That&#8217;s why the school board spent their time and effort &#8212; to get a little legal leverage on you.   As a veteran blogger and news media pro, I can tell you that you undermine your credibility every time you have to correct or clarify inaccurate statements &#8212; like in the long post above. Ask the Sentry or the Beacon Journal editors about accuracy and corrections.  They hate them. </p>
<p>Citizen bloggers like you (and me) have a good role to play, but we hurt our own arguments with false statements that we have to admit to in court or in a quasi-judicial process. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://stowidiocracy.com/index.php/2010/04/12/scrgs-response-to-school-districts-oec-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This posting has nothing directly to do with Stow-Munroe Falls school district, but it does have an effect on us.

In May, Hudson has a 5.9 mill school levy on the ballot to raise some $5.6 million dollars. Judging from the letters-to-the-editor in the Hudson Time Hub, there is considerable resistance to this tax hike. Strangely, the citizens of Hudson seem to think they already pay enough for their schools.  

To push the levy, the Hudson administration is going through the usual display of hysterics, saying that the city schools would face huge deficits in 2012 without passage of the levy and this would result in &#039;dismantling&quot; the schools. 

&quot;Dismantling&quot; the schools, yes that&#039;s the superintendent&#039;s chosen word. 

I can&#039;t imagine a janitor, let alone the school superintendent, making such an ignorant statement as that, but there it is.

The point here is that we are not alone in facing arrogant, out-of-touch school bureaucrats &amp; administrators whose main concern is feathering their own nest and the nest of the others who are fortunate enough to be employed in our schools. 

Hudson is a rather wealth community which historically has not battered an eye to showering its public schools (and municipal work force) with an excess of money. If the tax increasing levy goes down there May 4, the echo of that defeat will be felt across the border to here in the Stow-Munroe Falls and beyond. It will be a not too subtle message to the squanders in charge of the public schools that tax increases will not be tolerated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This posting has nothing directly to do with Stow-Munroe Falls school district, but it does have an effect on us.</p>
<p>In May, Hudson has a 5.9 mill school levy on the ballot to raise some $5.6 million dollars. Judging from the letters-to-the-editor in the Hudson Time Hub, there is considerable resistance to this tax hike. Strangely, the citizens of Hudson seem to think they already pay enough for their schools.  </p>
<p>To push the levy, the Hudson administration is going through the usual display of hysterics, saying that the city schools would face huge deficits in 2012 without passage of the levy and this would result in &#8216;dismantling&#8221; the schools. </p>
<p>&#8220;Dismantling&#8221; the schools, yes that&#8217;s the superintendent&#8217;s chosen word. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine a janitor, let alone the school superintendent, making such an ignorant statement as that, but there it is.</p>
<p>The point here is that we are not alone in facing arrogant, out-of-touch school bureaucrats &amp; administrators whose main concern is feathering their own nest and the nest of the others who are fortunate enough to be employed in our schools. </p>
<p>Hudson is a rather wealth community which historically has not battered an eye to showering its public schools (and municipal work force) with an excess of money. If the tax increasing levy goes down there May 4, the echo of that defeat will be felt across the border to here in the Stow-Munroe Falls and beyond. It will be a not too subtle message to the squanders in charge of the public schools that tax increases will not be tolerated.</p>
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		<title>By: LMAO</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMAO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Let&#039;s throw everything against the wall and see what sticks.&quot;  

The school administration&#039;s attempt to discredit SCRG has had the opposite affect.  The superintendent would have us believe this group&#039;s four reprimands legitimize $20,000 and counting in lawyer fees.  He conveniently forgets that he swore to twice that many FALSE claims.

This was an obvious, albeit misguided, attempt to shut this group and website down.  Rather than attempting to build the district&#039;s credibility with honest communication, fulfilling records requests in a timely manner and truly emulating the pillars of &quot;Character Counts,&quot; the school board and superintendent have chosen to prevent public discussion by jumping on the litigation bandwagon.

The students deserve better...the taxpayers deserve better.  They and the staff are truly responsible for the district&#039;s &quot;Excellent with Distinction&quot; rating.  The only difference is that they don&#039;t enjoy the $5,000 bonus the school board awards the superintendent every time that rating is attained.  Way to go board - keep adding money to the superintendent&#039;s already bloated benefits package.  Sit back and rake it in Dr. Jones; according to your recent evaluation, there is no end in sight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s throw everything against the wall and see what sticks.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The school administration&#8217;s attempt to discredit SCRG has had the opposite affect.  The superintendent would have us believe this group&#8217;s four reprimands legitimize $20,000 and counting in lawyer fees.  He conveniently forgets that he swore to twice that many FALSE claims.</p>
<p>This was an obvious, albeit misguided, attempt to shut this group and website down.  Rather than attempting to build the district&#8217;s credibility with honest communication, fulfilling records requests in a timely manner and truly emulating the pillars of &#8220;Character Counts,&#8221; the school board and superintendent have chosen to prevent public discussion by jumping on the litigation bandwagon.</p>
<p>The students deserve better&#8230;the taxpayers deserve better.  They and the staff are truly responsible for the district&#8217;s &#8220;Excellent with Distinction&#8221; rating.  The only difference is that they don&#8217;t enjoy the $5,000 bonus the school board awards the superintendent every time that rating is attained.  Way to go board &#8211; keep adding money to the superintendent&#8217;s already bloated benefits package.  Sit back and rake it in Dr. Jones; according to your recent evaluation, there is no end in sight.</p>
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		<title>By: flowerpower</title>
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		<dc:creator>flowerpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, SCRG, you have given the information necessary for citizens to be knowledgeable about our school district leadership. Readers should go immediately to your posting, &quot;False Statements?….Misleading Statements? Is The Kettle Calling The Pot Black?&quot; with the picture of the cat.

Connect the dots.  Superintendent spends distsrict money to lodge complaints. Superintendent asks PTA Council to collect money registrations for the 2nd annual SMFCS Golf Outing. (The 1st annual golf outing was a fundraiser for the levy committee.)  PTA writes the check to the levy committee. SCRG finds out and raises a stink.  The levy committee returns the money to the PTA. 

Yes, keep up the good work, SCRG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, SCRG, you have given the information necessary for citizens to be knowledgeable about our school district leadership. Readers should go immediately to your posting, &#8220;False Statements?….Misleading Statements? Is The Kettle Calling The Pot Black?&#8221; with the picture of the cat.</p>
<p>Connect the dots.  Superintendent spends distsrict money to lodge complaints. Superintendent asks PTA Council to collect money registrations for the 2nd annual SMFCS Golf Outing. (The 1st annual golf outing was a fundraiser for the levy committee.)  PTA writes the check to the levy committee. SCRG finds out and raises a stink.  The levy committee returns the money to the PTA. </p>
<p>Yes, keep up the good work, SCRG.</p>
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		<title>By: wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the above article, I have no doubt that the public has been outright lied to on many more occasions than are listed.  I wonder what the cost of those &quot;misleading statements&quot; the Board and the Superintendent have made is.  I know that large institutions and groups usually have monies hidden away somewhere, or they are spending funds on costly, unneccessary things simply because &quot;we&#039;ve always done it that way&quot;.  For the Board to join into this &quot;trivial pursuit&quot; shows that they have been led by the nose by the one person they are supposed to be able to trust and work with.  Keep up the good work, SCRG, the people of Stow need you whether they know it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the above article, I have no doubt that the public has been outright lied to on many more occasions than are listed.  I wonder what the cost of those &#8220;misleading statements&#8221; the Board and the Superintendent have made is.  I know that large institutions and groups usually have monies hidden away somewhere, or they are spending funds on costly, unneccessary things simply because &#8220;we&#8217;ve always done it that way&#8221;.  For the Board to join into this &#8220;trivial pursuit&#8221; shows that they have been led by the nose by the one person they are supposed to be able to trust and work with.  Keep up the good work, SCRG, the people of Stow need you whether they know it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>School superintendent Russ Jones is like a boxer who, out of desperation, leads with his chin. 

SCRG, keep putting out the fact on this trivial complaint business ..... and its cost. 

The more the public learns what it is all about, the more the community will come to see what a poor stewart Jones is of the taxpayer money regardless of what his apologists may say. 

An open and continuing discussion of this matter is a debate Jones and the education establishment can&#039;t win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>School superintendent Russ Jones is like a boxer who, out of desperation, leads with his chin. </p>
<p>SCRG, keep putting out the fact on this trivial complaint business &#8230;.. and its cost. </p>
<p>The more the public learns what it is all about, the more the community will come to see what a poor stewart Jones is of the taxpayer money regardless of what his apologists may say. </p>
<p>An open and continuing discussion of this matter is a debate Jones and the education establishment can&#8217;t win.</p>
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